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apswater
VP-ASP Super User

317 Posts

Posted - February 19 2005 :  16:19:00  Show Profile  Visit apswater's Homepage
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so, I ask, is each one of those links pointing to the same page on your website?

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You will have to better phrase the question. What I think you mean is are those links there all of the time and do they point to the same spot. No the links are there just as if I was selling advertising space on my website. They rotate as in a banner, text rotation program.

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What I am asking is about all the links you are putting on everyone elses pages, do they all point back to your same page.. ie you home page? When you signed up you had to tell it what to link back to right?


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ProductivePC
VP-ASP New User

USA
199 Posts

Posted - February 19 2005 :  16:26:00  Show Profile  Visit ProductivePC's Homepage


Apswater,

You can point them to whatever page you want them to point to. If you want a subpage to come up then just point your link to that subpage such as the example I gave you did.

Currently, we have ours pointed to our home page because we are in the middle of changing our whole website design look.

Other people have tested the subpage coming up number 1. We currently have not. We will be doing that after the programming is complete on the new website.

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Advice from an old SEO folks.

Link farms are fine until they're rumbled and then they all go down like a row of dominoes - I've read the book and have the t-shirt. The links that REALLY count are ones that are 'on topic'. I'm saying this because in my 'novice' days I signed up to a similar scheme. Worked fine until the link exchange was sussed and even 7 years later I'm STILL finding remnants of these blasted pages.

Relevant content is as important as it always has been. The best way to make an impact on traffic and consequently sales is to make full use of product descriptions and make sure your home page is lean on code and high on relevant content. Its a forumula that complies with search engine guidelines and has kept several hundred of my sites in top positions consistently.

Pebbledash syle links can create huge problems if one site breaks say, Google guidelines. I've seen a whole batch of sites vanish overnight for linking into a bad neighbourhood and it can burn out a domain name just like that. If you're linking clients sites in this way you can suddenly find you're bombarded by phone calls from irate clients wondering why they've vanished - I've seen that happen a LOT. Nope, relevant content is ALWAYS the most important thing and ANY links should be carefully placed. Using link farms is lazy SEO, uncontrollable and in the longer term unsustainable.




I agree, linking to link farms is a bad thing. This is why I am glad that the people at DP personally look at every website that joins the network before the ads are posted out there. They have to approve every single site. If you are not approved then that link doesn't get shown on any websites within the network.

Nobody in the history of the Internet has ever been penalized for having a banner rotation program on their website less banned from the search engines.

The greatest thing about the network SEO tool is it is not even close to being a link farm. You don't have 5 million links included on a website. If for any reason SE's decide to put a filter on for banner/link rotations then you are no worse off then before you started the network. You have lost nothing.

People that do want to join can do it here:
http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/ad-network/?s=2197



Wayne
www.WorldFamousGiftBaskets.net

Edited by - ProductivePC on February 19 2005 16:49:22
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apswater
VP-ASP Super User

317 Posts

Posted - February 19 2005 :  17:02:22  Show Profile  Visit apswater's Homepage
ok, so to the point here...

all those links point to 1 page. so that ONE page is going higher in the engine.. so yes you get the spider to you but when it gets to the bottom of your page you send it packing to another site dont you?

With you pointing all those links to one page, you end up with your one page listed on MSN dont you? Then you have to properly code all your VP-ASP pages for the search engines to get them listed... and that takes us back to the mods to change the metatags dosnt it?

A little of both...... go figure... you almost got me ready to try your scheme on one of my sites. I figure if they blacklist it for over saturation, I am still cool!

Thanks

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shopcomputer
VP-ASP New User

USA
57 Posts

Posted - February 19 2005 :  18:55:56  Show Profile  Visit shopcomputer's Homepage
I singed up for this thing about 1 week ago, I don't know why, however ever since I did this thing my amount of pages indexed in google keep on falling every day. We had over 3000 pages indexed before we started, after 1 week we are under 1 thousand. I will give it a few more days, if this does not change I will remove this thing. I am also not very happy with quality of links they put on my site, it is very unprofessional to have these dating, etc. link on a ecommerce site. the amount of orders keep on falling since this was implemented, I will give this a few more days, however I don't think this will last. My Seo specialist is worried that if this gets to popular google, will penalize all its members as it happened to many link farms.

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bmw000
VP-ASP New User

137 Posts

Posted - February 19 2005 :  19:44:17  Show Profile  Visit bmw000's Homepage
shopcomputer,

I too have seen the same effect.

What I most don't like about this besides less links on google than when I started is it puts links to on my site that are not related. What's the point of choosing the category/theme if it doesn't follow it.

I have removed it from my site. It wasn't really what I was looking for.

I did better on search engines before this.


Brian Weber
BMW Solutions, LLC
http://www.bmwsolutions.com
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ProductivePC
VP-ASP New User

USA
199 Posts

Posted - February 19 2005 :  21:08:38  Show Profile  Visit ProductivePC's Homepage


What you are experiencing is a change in Google and not due to the coop. Our site as well dropped 200+ pages from Google yet, our keyword phrases rankings continue to rise. Here is a post to read of someone that was havinng the same exact things you are experiencing now happening to him... see where he is at now:
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=9443

You can see what his complaints were off the beginning and you can see how his attitude changed at the end when he gave it a couple of weeks.

But then again, it not for everyone, glad you gave it a try to see what would it could (or could not) do for you. :)

I am only reporting how our stats our doing because of the network.

All websites and ads are looked at prior to being put on thee network as you know. There are no link farms on this network.

There has never been a website banned from any search engine for havinga banner rotation

shopcomputer - which website did you sign up for the coop? I would give it more than a week to see what your keyword phrases do and what your backlinks do. We didn't start seeing real good results until around 10 days and that depends a lot on what you weight is. What is your weight? Some of the people in the coop didn't start seeing results for around 6 weeks.

Did you validate your pages?

Keep an eye on Yahoo and MSN as well. Check your backlinks in MSN.





Wayne
www.WorldFamousGiftBaskets.net

Edited by - ProductivePC on February 19 2005 21:25:53
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ProductivePC
VP-ASP New User

USA
199 Posts

Posted - February 19 2005 :  21:40:01  Show Profile  Visit ProductivePC's Homepage


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ok, so to the point here...

all those links point to 1 page. so that ONE page is going higher in the engine.. so yes you get the spider to you but when it gets to the bottom of your page you send it packing to another site dont you?

With you pointing all those links to one page, you end up with your one page listed on MSN dont you? Then you have to properly code all your VP-ASP pages for the search engines to get them listed... and that takes us back to the mods to change the metatags dosnt it?

A little of both...... go figure... you almost got me ready to try your scheme on one of my sites. I figure if they blacklist it for over saturation, I am still cool!

Thanks



Yes, the spiders will continue through your website top to bottom left to right and they will go through all of your links and all of your outbound links on your pages.

Yes, you end up with whatever page you post in the network in MSN.
Well, depending on what version of VPASP you are using, their is an HTML generation that you can use for the pages but it is always best to have all of your pages interlinking.

I cannot take credit for this network. I did not create it. All I am doing is reporting what my results are utilizing it. It doesn't matter to me one way or another if anyone signs up with it. I have been helping people out with SEO for years. This is the best tool I have found yet, so I am telling people about it.

If they let it go for a little bit they will see results. If they do not, it doesn't matter to me either way. All I know, is we are seeing immediate fast results with it for a keyword phrase that has been hell for me to get past 200 in G. I don't care if there are unrelated results at the bottom of my page or not if the end results are there. They are talking about making the results on your pages more relative however I don't think anyone understands the impact that would have on your results in the Search Engines. Let's say there are 2 sites signed up in the network that are about cars. Let's say you are one of the websites about cars. This means that instead of your website showing up on 1000's of other websites, your website would show up on 1 website and that would do you absolutely no good. I don't care about showing non-related links on our website because my website is getting shown on 10 thousand other websites the same way and that is helping ultimately helping us out tremendously in rankings in all of the search engines at the same time. This has brought in lots more targeted traffic from the search engines. This has brought in lots more sales. This makes me happy to report that this new tool is actually working and we have only been in for 18 days. We have a weight of 30,000 however as well. We have 60% of that going towards our main keyword phrase. We have 40% of that going towards our secondary keyword phrase.
We are not testing more than 2 keyword phrases.



Wayne
www.WorldFamousGiftBaskets.net

Edited by - ProductivePC on February 19 2005 21:47:15
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apswater
VP-ASP Super User

317 Posts

Posted - February 19 2005 :  21:53:24  Show Profile  Visit apswater's Homepage
Has anyone else besides Wayne done this.... what were your results? Is Wayne the onlyone with positive results?

as a side... Wayne if you are an optimization pro... then why are you worried about all this now? Shouldnt you already have optimized you site a long time ago? How old is your site?

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Justin
VP-ASP New User

87 Posts

Posted - February 19 2005 :  22:38:54  Show Profile  Visit Justin's Homepage
Wayne, I've said all that needs to be said. I think your attitude and personality have come through in your posts, doing more damage to your integrity than I could even do. Congratulations.

PS This thread is now officially gay.

Justin.



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ProductivePC
VP-ASP New User

USA
199 Posts

Posted - February 19 2005 :  23:16:33  Show Profile  Visit ProductivePC's Homepage


Aspwater,

Go to the following forums if you would like to see other people that have done this....

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/forumdisplay.php?f=34

You can read about how other people have done this, their experiences and opinions.

I believe my previous posts have answered your other question.



Wayne
www.WorldFamousGiftBaskets.net
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support
Administrator

4266 Posts

Posted - February 19 2005 :  23:22:51  Show Profile  Visit support's Homepage
I am closing down this topic as it becoming too heated.

Please try to keep emotions out of your posts.

Although we do not endorse any particular product or service we do not mind anyone advertising on our forum but by the same token everyone is allowed an opinion.

All advertising should also be kept to Offering Services category as well please.

Thank you.
VPASP Support

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